Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Trivia Tuesday: Sing The Sorrow

Today's Trivia Tuesday is based on AFI's CD, Sing The Sorrow, which catapulted their career.

1. The album reached #5 on the Billboard Chart and went Platinum in December 2004.

2. It was ranked number 77 on the October 2006 issue of Guitar World magazine’s “List of the 100 Greatest Guitar Albums of All Time.” Sing The Sorrow was certified "Gold" by the RIAA(Recording Industry Association of America) on April, 30 2003.

3. Sing The Sorrow was the first album to have 3 different album covers Silver, Red and Black (The Black cover had a ocean horizon with no ship reference to Black Sails in The Sunset). The black cover is limited to 2,500 copies and it was originally sold on AFI's US tour.

4. AFI released a "Making The Record" video series for Sing the Sorrow which can be viewed on YouTube. Two of them were DF-exclusive: Backing vocals and Making of Clandestine.

5. Some album artwork contain a picture of a foraminifer, others a dead bird, and most an inverted octopus. All pictures are taken from the book Animals by Jim Harter.

6. There are demos for 6 of the songs in this album: "This Celluloid Dream", "The Great Disappointment", "Paper Airplanes", "...But Home Is Nowhere", "Synesthesia" and "The Leaving Song".

7. "Carcinogen Crush" was written during the Sing The Sorrow session but rerecorded in the Decemberunderground sessions. They did not use the original writings. It was re-worked on.

8. The United States version of "...But Home is Nowhere" is 15:07 minutes long but 3:52 minutes for the UK version.

9. The last page of the Album booklet shows a rabbit picture with the phrase "Rabbits Are Roadkill" eluding to the song "Rabbits Are Roadkill On Route 37", which was released on October 2005.

10. Sing The Sorrow is the first album to include sung lyrics in a foreign language (Spanish)

11. The Leaving Song Pt. II features Spanish lyrics before the chorus. The first one is: "Yo he estado aquí, muchas veces antes, y regreso", which means "I've been here, many times before, and I start." Before the second chorus, it says "Y regreso, aquí otra vez, y comienzo", which means "I come back, here again, and start".

12. In one of the making of STS videos (I think bass tracking), The Leaving Song Pt. II with English verses instead of Spanish verses can be heard in the background.

13. The only two STS songs that remain unplayed live are Paper Airplanes and The Great Disappointment.

14. "The Spoken Word" is NOT the official title for the poem. It's a fan name.

15. In case you hadn't noticed, Girl's Not Grey has a reference to AFI's previous album, "The Art of Drowning". The line says "Swim in the calm tonight, this art does drown"

16. STS leaked in late 2002 with unmastered versions of some songs.

17. STS has an advance record with "unmastered" versios of Bleed Black and This Celluloid Dream. The only difference on Bleed Black is that there's no "breath intro".

18. During the vocal tracking video, Davey is singing the chorus of Rabbits are Roadkill. Obviously, no one knew what he was singing, until RRR37 was released two years later.

19. It's the first album since Very Proud of Ya to feature former bassist Geoff Kresge, who did backing vocals on Paper Airplanes along with band mate Nick 13.

20. But Home is Nowhere was played live twice during the STS era. This Celluloid Dream was played less than 20 times, mostly on July and August 2003 and early 2004. The Leaving Song was played once during a TV show (Musique Plus) and was played at a headlining show for the first time in 2007.

21. AFI did an acoustic show in Atlanta for 99x which featured Silver and Cold (released on the comp), The Leaving Song and Dancing Through Sunday.

22. Davey and Jade started a competition during 2001 to see who could grow the hair longer. You know who won.

23. Davey allegedly had surgery on his throat in 2004. It most be noted that in 2004 no news reports or official word said he got surgery. They always talked about voice rest. However, Davey now says he did get surgery. Make your own conclusions.

24. The last time Miseria Cantare was played live was in Mexico City on April 20th 2007.

25. Some live covers from the STS era include Weezer's "My Name is Jonas" (Australia 2003), Poison's "Nothin' But a Good Time" (Germany 2003), and Jane's Addiction's "Mountain Song" (forget where, 2003)

59 comments:

  1. It's The Leaving Song, not The Leaving Song part 2.But pretty sweet!!!

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  2. Where can I find the "Carcinogen Crush" song ????I hard about it but cannot find...

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  3. Mike[xXdarockermikeXx]November 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM

    @doctorhojo it's on Youtube

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  4. @doctorhojo I was able to buy it off iTunes so I'm pretty sure you cab find it almost anywhere now

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  5. Angelsineveryone(Brandon)November 24, 2009 at 11:10 PM

    There is also a "Synesthesia" demo on Austrailian single for The Leaving Song Pt. 2. Also a Head Like A Hole demo that was leaked but never released. Its raw and no electronics. The screams are better in the demo IMO.

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  6. Brandon, it's not a demo. There's two versions legally released. One is labelled as "mastered" and the other one is "unmastered"

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  7. I just updated it a lil' bit.

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  8. Angelsineveryone(Brandon)November 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM

    I know :) A song being unmastered can be another word for a demo.Also, I know everyone is say that 100 Words was rerecorded but why in the Crash Love booklet does it say that 100 Words was produced by Jerry Finn AND Butch Vig? The last album Butch Vig did any work on was STS.

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  9. 100 words is from the sts sessions, it says in the credits of the Crash Love deluxe edition, it was however mixed seperately, but it was definitely recorded during sing the sorrow

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  10. Also, the UK version does include This Time Imperfect, its a hidden track after Now the World. At least that's how it is on mine

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  11. And to clarify, 100 words was not re-recorded during DU (or any other time for that matter as far as we know). There were 16 songs recorded for DU, 12 made the album, The View From Here, Fainting Spells, Ether, and Carcinogen Crush were the other four

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  12. What about Don't Change and Fallen Like The Sky? And Jack The Ripper?And I'm almost sure Jerry Finn did some mixing on DU, which was when 100 Words was re-recorded. It has the same mixing. The only song that Interscope got the rights of from DW was RRR37.

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  13. My favorite tidbit about STS is that they leaked a version of STS on their own which contained exclusively MC Stay N Skool songs. Of course no one knew who MC Stay N Skool was back then so no one kept the files, which is unfortunate.Also, technically it was Jade, Davey, Smith, and Fritch who were a part of the hair growing competition. Fritch says that Adam later joined in even though Adam claims he didn't really agree to be a part of it, and only realized they thought he was competing in it when they told him he had lost for getting a haircut. So Adam was out first, then Smith for going in to get a trim (which was "legal") and coming out with a haircut, then Davey for actually wanting to grow his hair out (and thus "not counting") and then Jade, leaving Fritch to win. According to Fritch's Tour Stories blogs.

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  14. What about Fallen Like The Sky? or Don't Change or Jack The Ripper?Also, Jerry Finn did some mixing on DU, which was when 100 Words was re-recorded. The last song Interscope bought the rights for was RRR37.100 Words was licensed by BMI on early 2007, which was the year it was supposed to come out on the EP.

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  15. Angelsineveryone(Brandon)November 24, 2009 at 11:54 PM

    Jerry Finn fully produced Decemberunderground. Butch Vig did no work for DU. The last time Butch and jerry worked on AFI together was STS sessions. Crash Love has them both listed as producers for 100 Words. Also as the the rights of STS songs: Universal/Interscope bought Dreamworks thus inheriting all rights/songs released on the Dreamworks label. Interscope owns the rights to all STS session recordings. Also licensing with BMI has nothing to do with recording, that only happens when a song is going to be released.

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  16. Angelsineveryone(Brandon)November 25, 2009 at 12:06 AM

    Also, I'm not saying that there is not a rerecorded version of 100 Words, but the version we have is the STS version. I would bet my life on it. Davey said they WERE going to rerecord it but plans may have changed OR they DID rerecord it but liked the original better :)

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  17. Where in the vocal tracking does he sing RRR37? I just watched the video.. All he sings are Bicycle Race, Killer Queen, and The Great Disappointment.Maybe I'm watching the wrong thing?

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  18. ^It's on a video where he's in the studio talking with someone (producer I think- dunno it's been a while) but it's playing on a recording in the background and they're talking about some harmonies or something he had in that they took out for the actual recording.And to throw it out there does anyone know where I might hear or but the unmasterd versions of Head Like A Hole and Bleed Black? And I guess DTS acoustic? (or did I read that wrong?) I can't find them on YouTube.. :(

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  19. Don't know about the other DU b-sides, but Fallen Like the Sky, according to the DU 7" box set thing, was recorded with Andy Ernst (presumably at Art of Ears?). It doesn't say when, but that song could possibly be pretty old. 2002, maybe? That was when they did the 336 picture disc songs and STS demos, which I think were the last known (by me, at least)Andy Ernst recordings. Maybe they did some DU-era demos with him too. I don't know. Ha, I might've provided more questions here than answers.

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  20. Fallen Like The Sky is a DU b-side. It's 2006 old. They said they recorded 16 songs for DU. Andy Ernst recorded it and Butch Vig or Jerry Finn produced it.I will still think 100W is not the original recording. It doesn't sound like 2003 AFI at all. I will believe until I see Davey himself saying it's the original recording.

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  21. Angelsineveryone(Brandon)November 25, 2009 at 12:44 AM

    I was thinking of asking in Ask AFI but will probably never get a response. :) We should do a poll about whether peeps think 100 Words sounds like a DU or STS recording LOL! JK

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  22. Fallen Like the Sky, Jack the Ripper, Don't Change, and On the Arrow were not recorded during the DU sessions, they were most likely demos. Hunter confirmed this with Fallen Like The Sky on the message board. The credits for Don't Change on the Miss Murder single are different than DU, they list Jade as the producer. In the credits of the deluxe edition of Crash Love, 100 words is listed as being produced by Jerry Finn and Butch Vig, engineered by Joe McGrath, and recorded at Cello Studios (all the same as Sing the Sorrow). DU was recorded at Conway without Butch Vig (note that Fainting Spells is listed as this in the Crash Love Deluxe)

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  23. If it doesn't sound like Sing the Sorrow to you, its probably because it was mixed and mastered separately, that can have a huge effect on the sound

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  24. "100 Words" only has one recording. It was NOT re-recorded during DU or CL, and if it was, it was not released. Why do you think it says "From Sing The Sorrow Sessions 2003" in the title?

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  25. beneaththeink, in an interview Hunter SAID those songs (excluding "Fallen") were recorded right after all the initial DU songs were, including "Head Like A Hole". All the covers.

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  26. Davey did get surgery in 2004. I was supposed to see them that year, but my show was cancelled because he was diagnosed with a cyst in his throat right before.

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  27. i have been waiting for this Trivia,STS is my fav album,thanks for all this info.Even tho i know most of them,i didn`t know there is Making of Clandestine.Did anyone saw that??How does it look??Can it be found anywhere besides Despair Faction??

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  28. 100 Words is definitely from the StS sessions. "Davey himself" wrote it on the CD jacket for the deluxe Crash Love. It certainly doesn't get mroe official than that.

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  29. Is it possible someone could link me to some of STS unmastered? Never heard that leaked befre

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  30. The rumor that Davey got surgery was started by Billboard. In March 2004 they released a statement by the band saying that Davey got surgery. You can find the article on their website.

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  31. I don't know why people keep saying that some songs are demos. The DU covers are NOT demos.Head Like a Hole was released in 2004 so I don't think it was recorded after DU.

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  32. So-long Scarecrow - Ah, so does that mean Fallen Like the Sky is indeed a demo recorded before DU, and the rest were recorded later most likely for promotional reasons? That would explain the sound quality difference between them

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  33. FLTS is not a demo. It was just recorded earlier.The only AFI demos are the STS demos and Torch Song. The rest are final releases.

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  34. Just because a song wasn't re-recorded in a final session doesn't mean it isn't a demo, I assume that's why you're making that claimAlso, you're forgetting that "We've got the Knife" and "Where We Used to Play" are also confirmed demos

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  35. Fallen Like The Sky is from an earlier recording session. Not a demo. It was just a different session. Just like Reiver's Music and Now The World on 336 EP and STS. They're final songs from two different sessions. Not demos.And yeah, I forgot those songs.This trivia tuesday is about STS, so from now on please all the comments STS-oriented.

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  36. For people believing Fallen Like The Sky is a demo:http://despairfaction.com/showpost.php?p=2831049&postcount=51Thanks, Hunter!

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  37. In the blog article it was mentioned that there is a making of clandestine video. Was anyone able to find it?

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  38. It was a DF exclusive and was released online. I used to have it. It should be lost in a scratched DVD somewhere in my house.

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  39. Pablo there are a few demos on the CL cd other than Torch Song- I think Where We Used To Play is one, and I believe there is one other. You can hear the demos from STS on YouTube, Jbfalek.And what is this about the making of Clandestine?! Going to go hunt the interwebs, be right back. ;)

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  40. Thank god they pointed out #15. Ive always thought that it waz a refrence, and now i kno it is.

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  41. There doesn't seem to be the slightest difference in production when it comes to Where We Used to Play, We've Got the Knife, and Breathing Towers to Heaven. Honestly, I think the only reason they're listed as such is because someone at Interscope or iTunes didn't know what they were doing. And Head Like a Hole was released in 2004 on the soundtrack to a Grand Theft Auto videogame.

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  42. Kera, I skipped those songs because they don't have a "final" release.I don't know why Too Late For Gods and We've Got The Knife are labelled as demos. I hear the exact same production in them as the rest of the songs. Where We Used To Play and Breathing Towers To Heaven sound different, imo

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  43. haha I'm really sorry for this, I don't want to sem like a dick (this blog's been the best part of Tuesday lately) but I think it's the drum tracking video where TLSP2 has English pre-choruses, and the pre-production video where Davey's singing RRR37, he's singing it a capella to the producers I believe.

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  44. @Pablo, Too Late For Gods is NOT listed as a demo.

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  45. "Breathing Towers" is a demo, too. And "Head Like A Hole" was indeed NOT recorded post-DU, my bad. But about "Fallen", I think Davey (one of the band members)said that "Fallen" sounds kind of like a demo because it had a lot less production value then the DU sessions. So it was either recorded just before or after the 16 DU songs. Or maybe even during, but was just worked on very little, hence the demo-like quality..

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  46. Jeez, does it really matter?

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  47. i don't understand the point of these trivia things. they're not trivia, half of the time contain a lot of false information, and mostly are here so pablo can boast about how much he knows. stupid stupid boy. then he wonders why jason is the only person who likes him and why he's banned from the omb. i know this comment is immature, but i frankly don't give a fuck, and i don't think afi would care if you commit suicide either. just sayin.

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  48. 1) If not trivia, what would you call it?2) False information? Please tell us what's false here so that we may fix it.3) Pablo does know a lot. Why not share the info? It's not boasting. We're trying to add variety to our content with these little weekly features. I'm pretty sure people like knowing facts about certain releases they may not have known. If you don't like it, don't read it.4) The last part of your comment makes absolutely no sense.

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  49. well as for false info, it still says that 100 words isnt from the sts sessions, which it is, and has been pointed out many times

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  50. Mike[xXdarockermikeXx]November 25, 2009 at 5:01 PM

    @b All you have to do is ignore the Trivia if you think they're pointless and just to let you know all these FACTS are true I posted some of them myself. So the next time you go commenting make sure you atleast get your FACTS STRAIGHT

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  51. @b Do you really think AFI would care if you committed suicide? Or if any of us did? Grow the fuck up. Suicide is not something to make snide, immature comments about. Go spread your petulance elsewhere.

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  52. Thanks for this trivia! I was waiting for it :) BUT I'm pretty sure that the first line is spanish in TLS2 ends with "y regreso", not "y comienzo" ;P

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  53. I swore I heard years back where they played Mountain Song at, but it seems I forget where. But a quick search on the OMB came to these two posts about people who've seen/heard it. http://despairfaction.com/showpost.php?p=3349730&postcount=36http://despairfaction.com/showpost.php?p=369651&postcount=18

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  54. b's post was amazing. It was hilarious. You can send hatemail to my email, tacogordo@yahoo.com. I really enjoy reading them, never gets old! :)

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  55. Does anyone have the vocal tracking of the others rock band's AFI's songs?Cause im very anxious to hear End Transmission vocal track and they just posted the Beautiful Thieves track.Well thank you anyway and Pablo : just ignore it.

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  56. If anyone has Rock Band and a DVD Recorder... just put No Fail on, and plug in all instruments. And record.

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  57. Thank you again Pablo.

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  58. yeah, the first spanish line from The Leaving Song Pt. 2 is "Yo he estado aquí, muchas veces antes, y regreso", which means I've been here many times before, and I come back...really the one from Mexico was the last miseria cantare? great, I'm so lucky

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